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		<title>Comment on Why Christians Send by bman</title>
		<link>http://www.esler.org/2010/09/03/why-send/comment-page-1/#comment-139411</link>
		<dc:creator>bman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 15:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sending me this link.  This is definitely a side of him that I haven&#039;t gotten to see.  I like his message in this one.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sending me this link.  This is definitely a side of him that I haven&#039;t gotten to see.  I like his message in this one.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wimpy Men by tedstur</title>
		<link>http://www.esler.org/2010/08/27/wimpy-men/comment-page-1/#comment-139234</link>
		<dc:creator>tedstur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 14:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is one of the nicer things about house church - we have all generations together.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is one of the nicer things about house church &#8211; we have all generations together.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wimpy Men by David Esler</title>
		<link>http://www.esler.org/2010/08/27/wimpy-men/comment-page-1/#comment-139188</link>
		<dc:creator>David Esler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 21:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article, I had a few thoughts.  I wonder what role the church has had on separating adulthood and adolescence.  According to Frank Viola, the teenage movement, especially among churches, emerged in the 20&#039;s and 30&#039;s.  Now days, we have programs for high school students, college students, and 20 something.  I have nothing against these different programs but could be having an effect on how these age groups view themselves.  Even outside of the church there seems to be some separation, but not to the same extent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article, I had a few thoughts.  I wonder what role the church has had on separating adulthood and adolescence.  According to Frank Viola, the teenage movement, especially among churches, emerged in the 20&#039;s and 30&#039;s.  Now days, we have programs for high school students, college students, and 20 something.  I have nothing against these different programs but could be having an effect on how these age groups view themselves.  Even outside of the church there seems to be some separation, but not to the same extent.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wimpy Men by Marti</title>
		<link>http://www.esler.org/2010/08/27/wimpy-men/comment-page-1/#comment-138993</link>
		<dc:creator>Marti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 23:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Ted, you might be interested in checking out this new publication coming out of Britain. The UK&#039;s only Christian magazine for men. Or, as they say, &quot;a good, wholesome alternative for blokes.&quot; You be the judge if it&#039;s only for wimpy ones! &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sorted-magazine.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.sorted-magazine.com&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ted, you might be interested in checking out this new publication coming out of Britain. The UK&#039;s only Christian magazine for men. Or, as they say, &quot;a good, wholesome alternative for blokes.&quot; You be the judge if it&#039;s only for wimpy ones! <a href="http://www.sorted-magazine.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.sorted-magazine.com</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Wimpy Men by tedstur</title>
		<link>http://www.esler.org/2010/08/27/wimpy-men/comment-page-1/#comment-138980</link>
		<dc:creator>tedstur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great story on Townsend!  
  
- Ted  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great story on Townsend!  </p>
<p>- Ted</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wimpy Men by tedstur</title>
		<link>http://www.esler.org/2010/08/27/wimpy-men/comment-page-1/#comment-138979</link>
		<dc:creator>tedstur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clint,  
  
Thanks for the comment - you and Donovan were making a similar point.  You are correct, in noting that &quot;Creators and Cultivators&quot; are similar to what I suggest.  I do think, though, that the idea of RISK is what jazzes men most.  
  
- Ted  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clint,  </p>
<p>Thanks for the comment &#8211; you and Donovan were making a similar point.  You are correct, in noting that &quot;Creators and Cultivators&quot; are similar to what I suggest.  I do think, though, that the idea of RISK is what jazzes men most.  </p>
<p>- Ted</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wimpy Men by tedstur</title>
		<link>http://www.esler.org/2010/08/27/wimpy-men/comment-page-1/#comment-138974</link>
		<dc:creator>tedstur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary, check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.whyboysfail.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.whyboysfail.com/&lt;/a&gt; for info on this topic.  It&#039;s one of many sources that have documented the success of gender-based affirmative action programs.  In some states these programs are now banned yet higher education systems (particularly funding mechanisms) continue to favor girls.  The disparity is now so great, in fact, that schools are beginning to implement reverse affirmative action programs - getting more boys into the pipeline.  Because higher ed is so institutionalized and bureaucratic, that will take years and years to implement.  
  
We could talk sometime about our experience with college funding for our boys (and now, girl).  
  
More importantly, the style of education favors girls over boys, particularly in the K-12 realm.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary, check out <a href="http://www.whyboysfail.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.whyboysfail.com/</a> for info on this topic.  It&#039;s one of many sources that have documented the success of gender-based affirmative action programs.  In some states these programs are now banned yet higher education systems (particularly funding mechanisms) continue to favor girls.  The disparity is now so great, in fact, that schools are beginning to implement reverse affirmative action programs &#8211; getting more boys into the pipeline.  Because higher ed is so institutionalized and bureaucratic, that will take years and years to implement.  </p>
<p>We could talk sometime about our experience with college funding for our boys (and now, girl).  </p>
<p>More importantly, the style of education favors girls over boys, particularly in the K-12 realm.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wimpy Men by Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article Ted.  
 
What do you mean by &quot;...we continue to provide women with affirmative action style placement preferences.  Boys are forced into a female mold in school...&quot;? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article Ted.  </p>
<p>What do you mean by &quot;&#8230;we continue to provide women with affirmative action style placement preferences.  Boys are forced into a female mold in school&#8230;&quot;?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wimpy Men by Marti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, Ted!  
 
I remember a male colleague throwing down a copy of a popular, Christian, how-to-be-a-real-man book and exclaiming what a waste it was that Christian men would be off having masculine adventures hunting, fishing, climbing, and riding horses through the mountains - completely ignoring the task/risk/challenge/adventure of world evangelization.  
 
A young Cam Townsend was in college when America was about to enter WWI. He was part of the Student Volunteer Movement and applied to go to Latin America to sell Bibles. But he was also in the National Guard and he might have gone to war instead, had not a spunky single woman missionary, home on furlough, rebuked him. She told him he would be a coward for &#8220;going to war where a million other men will go and leaving us women to do the Lord&#8217;s work alone.&#8221;   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Ted!  </p>
<p>I remember a male colleague throwing down a copy of a popular, Christian, how-to-be-a-real-man book and exclaiming what a waste it was that Christian men would be off having masculine adventures hunting, fishing, climbing, and riding horses through the mountains &#8211; completely ignoring the task/risk/challenge/adventure of world evangelization.  </p>
<p>A young Cam Townsend was in college when America was about to enter WWI. He was part of the Student Volunteer Movement and applied to go to Latin America to sell Bibles. But he was also in the National Guard and he might have gone to war instead, had not a spunky single woman missionary, home on furlough, rebuked him. She told him he would be a coward for &ldquo;going to war where a million other men will go and leaving us women to do the Lord&rsquo;s work alone.&rdquo;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wimpy Men by Donovan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 14:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding your objection, &quot;Creators and cultivators?  Give me a break, Mark [Driscoll].  We don&#039;t need more artistic men nor do we need farmers.&quot; However, Driscoll defines these roles more broadly than farmers and artists. He says he wants God&#039;s glory and kingdom to be visible through men, do you see this vision as incompatible with missions? He tells guys to create a ministry and cultivate people, isn&#039;t that compatible with overseas evangelism? He guys to create and cultivate businesses, isn&#039;t that compatible with BAM? You want to see men as risk-takers for God. I don&#039;t think you and Driscoll have anything to disagree about; note his conclusion. &quot;Stop looking for the path of least resistance and start running down the path of greatest glory to God.&quot; 
 
I would add this. You yourself had a career and family before your missions career. Most likely, this matured and equipped you (as well as providing credentials) to be the exceptional team leader your were and leader which you are now. There&#039;s nothing wrong with guys moving from prolonged adolescence into  creative and cultivating careers like entrepreneurism, medicine, social work, law, graphics design, IT, or even farming.  Many of today&#039;s &quot;young bucks&quot; (that one&#039;s for Robi) are too immature to be prepared and equipped for overseas missions. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding your objection, &quot;Creators and cultivators?  Give me a break, Mark [Driscoll].  We don&#039;t need more artistic men nor do we need farmers.&quot; However, Driscoll defines these roles more broadly than farmers and artists. He says he wants God&#039;s glory and kingdom to be visible through men, do you see this vision as incompatible with missions? He tells guys to create a ministry and cultivate people, isn&#039;t that compatible with overseas evangelism? He guys to create and cultivate businesses, isn&#039;t that compatible with BAM? You want to see men as risk-takers for God. I don&#039;t think you and Driscoll have anything to disagree about; note his conclusion. &quot;Stop looking for the path of least resistance and start running down the path of greatest glory to God.&quot; </p>
<p>I would add this. You yourself had a career and family before your missions career. Most likely, this matured and equipped you (as well as providing credentials) to be the exceptional team leader your were and leader which you are now. There&#039;s nothing wrong with guys moving from prolonged adolescence into  creative and cultivating careers like entrepreneurism, medicine, social work, law, graphics design, IT, or even farming.  Many of today&#039;s &quot;young bucks&quot; (that one&#039;s for Robi) are too immature to be prepared and equipped for overseas missions.</p>
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